And a blast to read. It’s as close to a turning point for the character as you’re likely to find. You mean the gang that was present during the robbery and completely absent when Joker somehow managed to stuff a major metropolitan hospital full of explosives without any of the thousands of employees or patients noticing anything, or indeed without any establishing shots at all? http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/391/, “Your post kicked me in the brain, not the face! The question I’ve been mulling over, then, is why it’s the Joker and not someone else. Special emphasis should probably be given to Ledger’s portrayal of the character, as I generally see the comic book portrayals far too cardboard archetypal and “comical”, although in all honesty, I am not well versed in the comic book versions. If there was any doubt that Dini and Radomski were hanging a lampshade on it, however, that's eliminated when Harley Quinn offers Batman the equally cliché choice of letting her go or saving Catwoman, not realizing he's within arm's reach of the switch that can shut off the machinery. Gotham City, for instance, has this beautiful, shadowy art deco aesthetic that connects Batman to his pulpy origins, but it's also a world where supercomputers exist alongside black-and-white TVs and rotary telephones, without ever feeling anachronistic. And really, this site is entirely based around comics. I feel I should point out that Ken lives in Texas, where they do. It's a great use of smaller, shorter high concepts to help the story flow—Poison Ivy attempting to destroy Gotham City with exploding Halloween pumpkins might not have been a strong enough premise to carry a full episode, but a three-minute sequence of Batman battling her in a flaming pumpkin patch works perfectly. No, it’s not Laura Hudson in a bikini–and it’s thankfully not Chris Sims in a speedo–it’s a look back at the most bizarre pages from Marvel’s Mid-90s Swimsuit Specials!. To be honest, this one almost gets a pass solely based on it being one of the most beautiful things Neal Adams ever drew, but at its heart, it’s more of an archetypal story of Batman than the Joker. —Chris Sims and Matt Wilson on X-Men Origins: Wolverine I suppose he could copyright the poison, but he would never want or allow anyone to use the Toxin but himself, so I don’t see any profit in it for him. Swap out the playing cards and clown puns for birds, Egyptian artifacts, dinosaur eggs or cat statues, and the stories could’ve been about anybody in the cast. Lucerna is Latin for lamp and has a ton of echoes left in English. His use of misinformation, his complete disregard of his ‘criminal allies’ but his DESIRE to NOT kill Batman. Again, that's a function of having so much going on in a single episode, but you get to see everything Batman can do. I’m glad you mentioned Gorshin’s performance in the ’60s show in there, because I found myself thinking the exact same thing when I watched the first couple of episodes recently. Whatever Happened to the Man of Steel? This, according to Rogers, was the central tragedy of the Joker: Even if he wanted to cry at all the horror he had caused, he was physically incapable of doing anything but laughing at it, a theme that continued into The Killing Joke. Simply amazing! Also a good catch-all Batman trade: Batman in the Eighties, which has the aforementioned Wrath story (“The Player on the Other Side”), the best Scarecrow story ever (“Fear For Sale”), the classic “To Kill A Legend” and the story about the Joker’s birthday. Chris Sims Bat Family Harley Quinn Joker Fictional Characters Superman Character Faces Batman Family. More information Harley Quinn - He evolution and the misconceptions about her character. “I’m not a monster… I’m just ahead of the curve!”. Batman was inspired as much by Count Dracula and the Shadow as he was heroes like Zorro, with a costume designed to frighten, but he’s still the good guy. Even though he never wins, my heart goes out to this one. We only see Croc's cards for a second, and never in close-up, but it really doesn't matter what he's got in his hand. But before that, I was an English Major/Psychology Minor, which is why I currently have a job at a comic book store and spent 28% of my time thinking about Batman. For that matter it certainly doesn’t make them anything other than mad. By the mid-80s, though, everything had changed again. But as for the Joker, well… Cesar Romero’s great and I wouldn’t trade his Joker for the world, but there’s a reason the series led with the guy in green. That is why they can never destroy each other, each completes the other. Thanks. Is this what we can expect from the suddenly more mature Chris? Oh – my article on analyzing Heath Ledger’s Joker and true identity: http://justicecarmon.blogspot.com/2008/12/in-darkest-night-or-just-hanging-with.html. Few thoughts: Essential reading for the hardcore and casual Batman fan. He then embarks on a downward spiral of revolution and bloody crime. “The Joker’s Five-Way Revenge” is not the first time he’s killed someone henching for him, and he’s done it over as little as not laughing when he thinks you should or laughing when he thinks you shouldn’t. I would argue that the Joker (at least Ledger’s version) is trying to remind people of the real truth of the world. It would be like the Scarecrow copyrighting Fear Toxin. And that observation on Frank Gorshin’s portrayal was spot on. I think Luthor has too. That is, if the Joker ever manages to convince Batman that the world is truly insane and the only response is insane laughter, does the Joker win? There’s not a whole lot that’s distinctive about him–when you stack him up against the rest of the arch-criminals, anyway–and aside from the visual aspects, there’s almost nothing in the character that we’d recognize as the Joker of today. Great article, Chris. In a review of Dark Knight, Ken pointed out that comics–especially DC–are built around archetypes. I’m not a SEAL and I really don’t care, but I’m just saying, maybe. More importantly, though, this [the Killing Joke] is the story that brings the one great similarity between Batman and the Joker to the forefront: They’re both amazing planners, So you disagree with the Joker’s characterization of himself in TDK as “Do I really look like a guy with a plan? They let schoolkids do it now. For all the fan grousing about how its campiness detracted from the legitimate storytelling of the comics–and the eye-rolling that goes with the fact that it’s been forty-two years and we still can’t get a headline about comics without “Biff! In that scenario, what’s missing is the explanation for how the hospital staff missed the explosives. Your ad here, right now: $0. Do you know how HARD it is to predict the actions of an insane man? David Vern Reed (born David Levine; 13 December 1914 – 11 August 1994), was an American writer, best known for his work on the Batman comic book during the 1950s in a run that included a revamp of the Batplane in Batman #61 and the introduction of Deadshot in Batman #59 (July 1950). Sometimes it’s not enough to bash in heads; you’ve got to bash in minds. I don’t think I’m really advancing an unpopular opinion when I say that Batman has the best villains in comics, but even among a crowd that strong, the Joker stands out. As Ken says, he doesn’t believe in chaos, he is chaos. The usual approach, and the thing that often made BTAS feel like a more sophisticated cartoon than anything else on TV in the early '90s, was to tell its stories with a slow burn. Then again, maybe I have this backwards. Sims does a fantastic job emphasizing this duplicity of order and chaos. And Englehart and Rogers took that foundation and made something magnificent with The Joker Fish. Have you read Superman: Secret Identity? I found myself wanting to pick your brain on several point and this will provide incredible banter material in the future. To be fair, though, as the Joker says, trying to kill Batman every time you see him is kind of a tough habit to break." I have to point out that there is a great trade from a number of years ago called “The Greatest Joker Stories Ever Told” which has the Joker’s first appearance as well as “Five Way Revenge” and “Laughing Fish”. Alfred and Robin are absent, of course, but we see Commissioner Gordon and the GCPD, and, more importantly, Catwoman. Who knows HOW far in advance they stuffed it with explosives? Gotham has a whole Narrows full of madmen… Also, O’Neil brings in one of the most important and lasting aspects of the character–His “game” against Batman: There are a few more villains who’d rather beat Batman than kill him–the Riddler springs to mind–but by refusing to kill him when the opportunity presents itself, as it does more than a couple of times, the Joker sets himself up as Batman’s equal and adds an even more sinister aspect to his crimes. The Joker cheats, of course, ... Each week, comic book writer Chris Sims answers the burning questions you have about the world of comics and pop culture: what's up with that? Chris Sims: It was something that we'd never really heard of. After all, most of the great villains of comics have the moment where you know that Everything Changes. Download for offline reading, highlight, bookmark or take notes while you read Deadpool: Bad Blood. This reminds me of the olden days when we watched real people as batman and robin and they beating the joker’s ass out. I think it’s a key point of their relationship that Batman tries to apply order to the world–preventing the tragedy that happened to him from happening to anyone else–by working outside the law, while the Joker applies chaos–trying to force what happened to him onto everyone else (per Moore’s version in TKJ) by working within meticulous, if bat-shit crazy plans. Anyhow, that was my take on the reason you could not trust a word of Heath’s/Nolan’s Joker – he was constantly using misinformation to destroy his victims. If he’d tried to trademark the fish, he probably would’ve succeeded. Just pure nonsense. Had you continued your schooling rather than choose to school us all, this could easily have become your senior thesis or even dissertation. I think Batman realizes he could have easily gone the way of the Joker and understands what drives him, even if he loathes it. You know what I am? Batman would later have a better understanding of how to deal with this problem in future conflicts, but for the first time it’s obviously very difficult. After you pull away the “chaos” and the “lies,” what’s left for the character? I’m sure Siegel wasn’t going for those connotations, but the obnoxious post-structuralist in me says authorial intent is irrelevant, anyway. By using our Services, you agree to our use of cookies. With the Joker, it’s a little harder to pin down. Great article. (And, yes, I’ll give it to you–the perfection of the unspecified plan does stink of deus ex machina, or of a writer not quite clever enough to actually think of a really brilliant plan.). But if you’ve ever worked in a hospital, you know that there are quite a few non-public storage and equipment rooms in hospitals where even the most suspicious of packages could go unnoticed for days. Looking at the character today, it’s obvious that he’s not only Batman’s arch-nemesis, but that more than any other villain, he’s evolved alongside his opposite number to become something more. Like Luthor, he’s almost omnipresent, the strength of the earlier stories, the visual contrast and the prominence of his character on the TV show pushing him to the forefront for most of the character’s life. Not that I really think the point is worth arguing, but hospitals do have networks of tubes full of pure oxygen running through the walls/ceilings/etc pretty pervasively. That's What's Up: The perfect episode of Batman: The Animated Series. Drop ceilings and low-traffic maintenence areas also present possibilities. Nov 2, 2020 - Explore Amanda's board "Sims 4 Superhero CC", followed by 102 people on Pinterest. It’s just a poison that caused their muscles to force a smile. Everybody knows that Arkham is located on Mersey Island in West-Central Gotham, but Wayne Manor is all the way on the mainland in Bristol, well over the Sprang bridge! It was released back in 1997 so it is a bit hard to find now. He once was a man doing what Batman is doing for the government – operating under the cover of night, working where the law was powerless and highly, highly trained. Mad people have goals. It's in the frame story, though, that we see Batman at his best. (I had been working on this for a while, but until Chris Sims wrote his excellent piece on the Joker, I had been having a lot of problems structuring it the way I wanted it to flow. Clearly, this is the “real” Joker and not the watered down version, which leads to the question of what changed? For my money, though, it all comes down to the Laughing Fish. This, my friends… this is an arch-nemesis. Because, you know, he’s the bad guy. He claims to want to destroy “the schemers” or “people with plans”. The Riddler pushes Batman in an Intellectual level. The thing to also remember about The Dark Knight is that it’s the first time Batman has to deal with the Joker. No, somehow I missed the gang in that scene, filled as it was of action-packed shots of them not being in it. Well, if the shots are clever and interesting and relatively brief, then yeah, shots of extras hiding things are not necessarily bad. From the awesome thought-chart to the perfect analysis, this is why the ISB rules! 2. It’s not like the owners stumbled onto him mid-theft or had to be interrogated to find the location of their wealth. The end of the opening sequence, though, with that famous lightning strike that illuminates Batman for the first time, has him placed atop an even higher skyscraper. In "Almost Got 'Im," he's all over the place, in one deathtrap after another. Two forces that will go on forever in a constant struggle that can only be limited by their mortal souls. The Joker says, “And me employing the divine gift men call madness!” Plato in Phaedrus says, “… but there is also a madness which is a divine gift, and the source of the chiefest blessings granted to men.” Who says comics aren’t highbrow? To me, Dr. Doom became the character who consumes the most love I have for comics in Annual #2, where as a child he reacts to his father’s death by yelling “They shall pay! Yes, theft is happening, but in none of those cases was murder required to steal. BackAlleySims (Chris Hatch) This is an 18+ adult site for simmers, so be aware. I thought there was a real oppertunity with Hush to make The Riddler a true nemesis before it was pushed aside for more Joker stuff. 1. Admittedly, the Joker was a pretty big deal — he killed almost as many people in that movie as … Even the deathtrap itself reflects that. In particular, I don’t see a real fleshing out of what makes the Joker such an interesting and effective villain. Break that down and you go through a bit of a breakdown… I agree with everything you’ve said about the Joker, but I disagree that he’s the only villain to have evolved into something more. — Chris Sims, Andy Khouri, and David Uzumeri on The Dark Knight. This should be required reading for anyone who’s a fan of Batman. His lack of identity, with no record on any database anywhere. “Now that,” thought seven year old Juicy, “is hardcore”. Even his disdain for money. Chris Sims said... Batman saying "You just can't trust that guy!" Welcome to the maddening world of DC origins . Even Lex Luthor, who was an ever-present arch-nemesis for Superman, didn’t really reach his full potential until we saw how far he was willing to damn himself for revenge in–of all things–an imaginary story. People bio-engineer things all the time… specialzed crops, gene therapy… I think someone should go to Arkham as the Joker’s self-appointed lawyer and help him get the millions he could have coming to him. Chris Sims on May 28, 2008 at 3:40 pm said: Oh come on, you guys! I can really only recall four things about the Batman TV show: Bat Bullet Proof Shoe Soles, plotting crime scenes on a map to reveal the shape of a top hat, Bruce Wayne falling out the back of a moving ambulance and Batman giving a lecture on how many different ways the Joker could kill you on sight, culminating in the Joker showing up and killing everyone on sight. It showed that these stories can matter—that they can inspire you to do good. I remember reading Five-Way Revenge over and over and over — it was so good. Wonderful analysis of the Joke and why he works. Rather than focusing on a single villain, or even a team-up, it's a story in which four of them cycle through a series of vignettes, cutting straight to the set pieces without sacrificing that moodiness. Phineas, I assumed the explosives-setting all took place far in advance–thus the lack of henchmen running around the hospital–since nobody less crazy than the Joker would want to be right there when the building blew. It’s not a force of nature, and it’s not chaos, and it’s not madness. On top of that, Luther sought to cast off the power and mysticism of the Church (admittedly, not in favor of cold rationalism, but still.) When Batman disguises himself as the second victim, the Joker poisons the man’s cat, knowing that it’ll find its master by scent. It’s also worth noting that Marshall Rogers didn’t just draw the Joker as a man who smiled all the time, but as a man who couldn’t do anything but smile, an influence that he traced back to the 1928 film The Man Who Laughs, which lent its title to another retelling of the first Joker story by Ed Brubaker and Doug Mahnke. All of Joker’s plans had this deus ex machina feel to them. That’s what made the end of TDK so frustrating for me. I start to see why Alan Moore's Joker stand-in in Promethea turned out to be a series of robots. The Joker has a goal (in one form or another, chaos), is biased (towards his own satisfaction), and is extremely well planned. Satan is the adversary – he tests men before God to show they are weak and evil. . That's Batman having fun, even in a life-and-death situation, and I love that about this episode. That Batman isn't just sitting quietly at a nearby table disguised as Matches Malone, and that he's instead running a con on his own arch-enemies that involves portraying one of them as a rock-stupid idiot? He isn’t even in on Gordon’s plan to catch the Joker! Let me show you how.” Pitting only his mind and scientific knowledge against the might of Supes, Luthor tries to shine a light on the ignorant masses. In her first appearance, "Pretty Poison," Ivy seduces and attempts to murder Harvey Dent, and it turns out that he still holds a pretty understandable grudge, even after switching sides and becoming a supervillain. You’re right that the ‘no plans’ bit was hypocrisy, though. Sure, it was a great post – but it needs more Destro. The Train!" No matter what he says, he’s a consummate planner with a goal–anarchy–that’s every bit as clear as Batman’s. From Your Friends @ GeekzandGamerz.xyz. Englehart’s entire run on Batman is a nod to the Golden Age, bringing back what were then all-but-forgotten characters like Hugo Strange and Deadshot and reinventing them to fight a more streamlined Batman. Add to that the fact that he’s around thirty real-time years into his criminal career at this point and would therefore probably be heading off to jail anyway with or without the evidence of his ex-flunkie, and you’ve got someone who breezes into town like a thunderstorm and just starts killing because it’s second nature to him. He’s just also a liar. Compare him to Batman. And if not the fish, then why not the formula for the Joker Venom. Metcalf and Patrick Mahomes-Tyreek Hill. Why does anybody work for him? It’s worth nothing that this is loaded with typos. And the way it seems to break the fourth wall sometimes… Joker Burgers!!! Sims does a fantastic job emphasizing this duplicity of order and chaos. Oh yeah, and happy birthday! As it is, Joker in Dark Knight has been compared often to a force of nature and that’s true and ultimately boring, for the same reason Superman is boring. Or, to use an example of something that sucks, Hush. However, they have a lot of useful mods, especially ones created by Chris Hatch.) I mentioned before that the Joker’s the embodiment of chaos, but in this story–and others, including The Dark Knight–the way he spreads anarchy is through meticulous plans and an ability to second-guess and out-think everyone at any turn. His ability to take down a 20-year vet police officer OR a 250 lb mob enforcer with a PENCIL. If the Joker walks up to you and says, “Come work for me,” he might kill you if you say “no.” He’s totally bugfuck crazy. The story is so good and the art, the art just blows my mind every time I read it. That doesn’t have much to do with this post, but man, those are some good stories. Maybe that’s why I’ve always found the end of The Killing Joke so disturbing. The best villains, after all, are the ones that bring out the contrasts within the hero himself, and that’s something Batman has to spare. You should take more vacations if this is the kind of stuff your brain gets up to when not at work! And Doom is nothing if not a megalomaniac. That connection didn’t orginate with Rogers–that film was the inspiration for the Joker in the first place! The first, of course, is the Denny O’Neil/Neal Adams classic “The Joker’s Five-Way Revenge“, from 1973’s Batman #251. Matt: Not even so much out of malice as much as just curiosity. So, if the plan is perfect, it stands to reason the hospital was wired in advance. Great analysis. ", Again, this is one that's included at the top of almost every list of the show's best episodes, so in that respect, it actually fulfills both of your questions. They may be utterly ridiculous (it’s from an insane man), but in regards to a goal, they make sense. By the Silver Age, though, things have changed, largely due to the tonal shift that resulted from the Comics Code, and without the edge of madness and outright shrieks of “I’m going to kill you,” the Joker loses a lot of his villainous mojo and fades back to be just another visually interesting face in the crowd. The Green Goblin was a legitimate threat with an interesting hook and some good stories under his belt, but he wasn’t the Spider-Man villain until he chucked Peter Parker’s girlfriend off a bridge. In Chris Sims, Chad Bowers and Alti Firmansay's "X-Men 92" #6, the X-Men will come across the Flaming Lips and the Toadies. 1) Gotham may not HAVE the death penalty. Poisons people by giving them “a ghastly grin?” Crazy enough to copyright fish? And how much energy must be expended each time to NOT break your moral code [so the law doesn’t come after you full force for being a vigilante who KILLS]? What moves him? In any case, as entertaining as Cesar Romero’s Joker is–and brother, he is entertaining–he’s just another thematic villain for Batman to deal with that week. That sequence rules pretty hard, is what I'm getting at here. Mike Florio and Chris Simms draft the top QB-WR duos in the NFL, including Russell Wilson-D.K. Seriously great work, buddy. One of the key elements of the Joker in TDK is that he’s always lying about something, whether it’s giving conflicting origins for his scars or manipulating others. See more ideas about joker, joker wallpapers, joker and harley. The one in the bright colors with the big smile who does magic tricks… that’s the one you need to watch out for. Well done! Scratch that: For anyone who’s a fan of comics. 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